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Can somebody help me with a schematic for a thermocouple and a relay.
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sewertop 2 years ago
Hello, My name is Rinus and im from Holland. Im looking already a few weeks for a schamatic for regulate temperature with a thermocouple (type K). The thermocouple switch the relay 12volt DC Load AC when the temperature is reached. I can regulate the temp with a potentiometer. I find in China a lot of mudules that can do this but they are to complicated. They can do a lot more, but i want it simple. I dont know I can ask this here, sorry if not. Maybe somebody know a schematic like this, or can make one for me. If I have to pay, please let me know. Thank you for reading this, Rinus Joosen Holland
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andyfierman 2 years ago
Hi Rinus, You can use the AD849x series thermocouple amplifiers as "set point" comparator to control a relay via a simple relay driver transistor. If you take the output of the AD849x through a 2 input Exclusive-OR gate and pull the other input to the gate up or down then you can use an N channel MOSFET to drive the relay in either: 1. energised when the temperature is above Tset (XOR input A driven by AD849x OUT pin, XOR input B tied low) or; 2. energised when the temperature is below Tset (XOR input A driven by AD849x OUT pin, XOR input B tied high); [https://www.analog.com/en/products/ad8495.html#product-overview](https://www.analog.com/en/products/ad8495.html#product-overview)<br> <br> Please study the datasheet carefully, in particular the section on Setpoint Controller on page 15: [https://www\.analog\.com/media/en/technical\-documentation/data\-sheets/ad8494\_8495\_8496\_8497\.pdf\#\[\{"num":33\,"gen":0\}\,\{"name":"XYZ"\}\,52\,713\,0\]](https://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/data-sheets/ad8494_8495_8496_8497.pdf#%5B%7B%22num%22%3A33%2C%22gen%22%3A0%7D%2C%7B%22name%22%3A%22XYZ%22%7D%2C52%2C713%2C0%5D)<br> <br> and where it says "If the setpoint voltage is generated with a voltage divider, a buffer is recommended.", they mean use a circuit like in Fig 32 but driving the "sense" pin. The required setpoint voltage  for a given setpoint temperature is given by the same equation as that shown under Fig 33 on page 14: [https://www\.analog\.com/media/en/technical\-documentation/data\-sheets/ad8494\_8495\_8496\_8497\.pdf\#\[\{"num":30\,"gen":0\}\,\{"name":"XYZ"\}\,34\,693\,0\]](https://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/data-sheets/ad8494_8495_8496_8497.pdf#%5B%7B%22num%22%3A30%2C%22gen%22%3A0%7D%2C%7B%22name%22%3A%22XYZ%22%7D%2C34%2C693%2C0%5D)
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andyfierman 2 years ago
Only problem is: nobody seems to have stock of the AD8495 K type version. :( Could you just use the AD8494 as an ambient temperature sensor? [https://www\.analog\.com/media/en/technical\-documentation/data\-sheets/ad8494\_8495\_8496\_8497\.pdf\#\[\{"num":30\,"gen":0\}\,\{"name":"XYZ"\}\,313\,693\,0\]](https://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/data-sheets/ad8494_8495_8496_8497.pdf#%5B%7B%22num%22%3A30%2C%22gen%22%3A0%7D%2C%7B%22name%22%3A%22XYZ%22%7D%2C313%2C693%2C0%5D) [https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/instrumentation-amplifiers/8068013](https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/instrumentation-amplifiers/8068013)<br> <br> Or some other dedicated temperature sensing IC?
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andyfierman 2 years ago
You might get some other ideas from: [https://www.printfriendly.com/p/g/FcUBtd](https://www.printfriendly.com/p/g/FcUBtd) which is a copy of: [https://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/application-notes/an28f.pdf](https://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/application-notes/an28f.pdf) but with a note about the small mistake Jim Williams made about how a thermocouple really works. :)
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sewertop 2 years ago
Hello Andyfierman, thank you so much for all this information. I also want to say sorry because im not so good in electronics. I have already a thermocouple emplifier, but I dont understand howe to control a relay with this. To take the output through a 2 imput Exclusive -OR gate is to dificult for me. In real life am a plummer, you know. But if I have a simple circuit I can make it, and later with EasyEDA I can make a PCB with it, I can do that. But im not good enough to do all you say to me. Sorry because you realy try to help me. Rinus
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sewertop 2 years ago
Andfierman, this thermocouple amplifier i have, [https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005002555453801.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.0.0.21ef79d2ImtHas&gatewayAdapt=glo2nld](https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005002555453801.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.0.0.21ef79d2ImtHas&gatewayAdapt=glo2nld)
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andyfierman 2 years ago
@sewertop, Ok. When you set a temperature, Tset, what do you want the relay to do: 1. energise when the temperature is above Tset or; 2. energise when the temperature is below Tset? Do you want any hysteresis around Tset (relay goes to one state at Tset then relay goes to the other state at Tset - Thyst)?
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andyfierman 2 years ago
@sewertop, It is possible to design a relay driver circuit that could be built onto a second small PCB which takes the output from the module that you have and allows you to set a setpoint temperature Tset with a potentiometer and drives a 12V relay to control an AC load. You need to specify; 1. The supply voltage for the module (12V is assumed because that is the voltage you state for the relay); 2. The output voltage range of your module in terms of output voltage vs. temperature; 3. When you set a temperature, Tset, what you want the relay to do: 1. energise when the temperature is above Tset or; 2. energise when the temperature is below Tset? 4. Do you want any hysteresis around Tset (relay goes to one state at Tset then relay goes to the other state at Tset - Thyst)? 5. What type of load is the relay switching; 6. What load voltage is the relay switching; 7. What load current is the relay switching; 8. The operating temperature range of the module and the relay driver. * If you want new module designed with the AD597 and the relay driver on one board, please note that the AD597 is not recommended for new designs: [https://www.analog.com/en/products/ad597.html](https://www.analog.com/en/products/ad597.html) but LCSC show 87 in stock: [https://lcsc\.com/product\-detail/Temperature\-Sensors\_Analog\-Devices\-AD597ARZ\_C459145\.html](https://lcsc.com/product-detail/Temperature-Sensors_Analog-Devices-AD597ARZ_C459145.html)<br> <br> :)
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