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Joseph Massimino 5 years ago
Is there a reason that copper fill does not show up, it only shows the outline of copper fill.  Also, my copper fill is the ground, and when I autoroute, none of the circuit  attaches its ground to it. I did correct all the rest of this project, but the copper fill has to work as ground as it was placed as a ground copper fill. Until that happens, I am stuck trying to figure it out.
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andyfierman 5 years ago
Is this project still public?
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andyfierman 5 years ago
Copper areas work fine for me, functionality unchanged.
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Joseph Massimino 5 years ago
Yes, the entire board will work, but when I want part of the board, it does not show up as solid, I just get an outline.  Now I have a part that I am trying to put on the bottom layer, and it keeps telling me that the top layer is invisible.  That is the first time i've seen that, and I can't see how to correct it.
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UserSupport 5 years ago
@joe.massimino Have you disable the copper zone? ![图片.png](//image.easyeda.com/pullimage/uvN1ytvy9tSP5gRYd2BFvpp53M4sUva56o4UIxpZ.png)
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andyfierman 5 years ago
@joe.massimino, Please: 1. Make a copy of the project in the current state where it shows this issue; 2. Make it public. 3. Post the link to it back in this topic. So I can look at it without any further changes to it.
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Joseph Massimino 5 years ago
The copper is set as visible, and it still has an outline and does not fill unless I do the entire board. Try to add a small copper area to your and see if it fills.
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andyfierman 5 years ago
Please do as requested in my post above.
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Joseph Massimino 5 years ago
I keep seeing "THis layer is invisible"   , I have never seen that in all the days I've used this software, where is that coming from, and why?  I am not doing anything that would make anything invisible.  I put one pad on the other side of the board, but what i wanted was multilayer. In any case, when I went to do the other pad, it told me that that side was invisible. What the heck is going on with this software?
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Joseph Massimino 5 years ago
Well, I did get past the invisible message, but as i manipulated the copper area on both sides of the board, one side did something close to what I expected , but the other side did not. I went back and forth and rebuilt the copper layer after adjusting it, and one side does something different from the other side. I might have to share this with you and see if you can tell me why.
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Joseph Massimino 5 years ago
Oh, the reason for the copper manipulation is because of RF on the board, this is an antenna switch and I have to be careful of capacitance if the copper gets to close to RF signals.
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Joseph Massimino 5 years ago
I am pretty sure you can see the board Andy. The top layer copper needs to match the bottom copper in the area above the relays.  I have tried to make them match, but when I rebuild, it does not. I'm not sure why.
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andyfierman 5 years ago
@joe.massimino, For the absolute final time of asking, 1) make a copy of the whole project as it is right now; 2) make it public; 3) post the url to that project back here. Don't PM me: I very rarely check my messages. Use the Forum.
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Joseph Massimino 5 years ago
I did figure out most of it, but there is one thing happening that I am sure there is a easy way to fix. The copper fill on both sides is ground, so why when I route the board, the ground don't just attach to the  copper fill, which is ground?
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Joseph Massimino 5 years ago
The point is, if I don't have to rout grounds, there will be less work for routing the board, and easier layout the way I prefer it. The parts with a ground, should attach to the copper fill. I can't get it to stop routing grounds all over the board, it makes this board hard to lay out.
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andyfierman 5 years ago
@joe.massimino I am trying to be polite about this. To help you we need to be able to see your project in the state it is in at the time you ask your question. Not earlier and not at some point later when you've edited the design and changed something after you asked the question. We do not want to have to guess which project it is or to have to assume that it's the same project you asked about at some earlier time because we may end up looking at and answering questions or giving advice on the wrong project. Just because you asked about and posted a url to a project a few days ago does not mean that you are asking about the same project in the same state of it's  design now. We are not kind readers nor do we have time to play detective and go round analysing peoples projects to ascertain that they are the same as last time a question was asked about them. You have already been asked 3 times to do this in this topic alone, never mind the countless times you have been asked in your many previous topics. I know from your posts in other forums such as Design Spark, that you appreciate the help you get from the EasyEDA forum but you are seriously abusing the goodwill of everyone on this forum right now by taking huge amounts of their time as a result of your failing to act effectively on the extensive and very detailed advice that you have already received on this and many other of your projects and by not complying with simple requests for information that are made simply to ensure that you receive the best and most accurate advice in a timely manner.
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deskpro256 5 years ago
Hello, Joseph. I don't remember if this was the thread I read a while back or some other, but Andy told you to clean up your schematic, which by looking at the "antenna switch" project, you have not done. It still looks like a mess and also the PCB looks like a mess. Component placement is just out of this world and the routing follows. The autorouter won't fix all the problems in life, so if the components are placed terribly, the traces will be terrible too. If the components in the schematic are connected or close to each other, then in the PCB they also **HAVE** to be close as well. You said that you don't want any unwanted capacitances close to the signals, but all traces are also inductors, which you have plenty of because of your terrible component placement, which **WILL** change the performance of your device. You have signal traces going from point A to point B through Africa, all across the PCB. Your loop areas are huge and will radiate so the capacitances are the least of your problems. Just like most problems, this problem lies between the computer and the chair. You have gotten advice and help but fail to use it. Andy asked you to do 3 simple things, which seems like you ignored and just keep asking other questions instead of following simple tasks. Please read and understand: [https://easyeda.com/forum/topic/How-to-ask-for-help-and-get-an-answer-71b17a40d15442349eaecbfae083e46a](https://easyeda.com/forum/topic/How-to-ask-for-help-and-get-an-answer-71b17a40d15442349eaecbfae083e46a) [============================================] Because you need help, I took it upon me to give you something to learn from. Let's start with the basics, the schematic. You have things where they shouldn't be: ![err1.png](//image.easyeda.com/pullimage/K2L4XJMPxCCO44e9FncTrW1QedANhWVs28ucyj9J.png) And component connections are not as they should be. A wire should connect 2 components from the tips of their pins, not in the middle or anywhere else: The transistor Q1's base pin is much longer and should only connect from the tip. ![err2-1.png](//image.easyeda.com/pullimage/zg4ughodHk76LIDGSZnBEAcRtF4knXuIzTY7NILD.png) ![err2-2.png](//image.easyeda.com/pullimage/1IwQRw7FTvtX8XjVzkBn7bLEhh0Dg4OjJC4A615L.png) Also, wires through components are a big no-no, because they could connect to something else and on the pcb could cause a short, or could be mistaken for some other component(let's say you have a wire going through an EU resistor, which somebody could see as a fuse). In this image you can see that there is a wire going through the diode, which is incorrect: ![err3-1.png](//image.easyeda.com/pullimage/MMsYSQ88WiR8aSPXOX4QZT7iwnLWjKgqieEMh90H.png) If I move the diode left, you can see that the wires almost connect. ![err3-2.png](//image.easyeda.com/pullimage/5ccW6sSts30ClQbdRPX5W9koYySAmMNDoZjCzj2Q.png) [============================================================] I don't know what exactly your project is supposed to do or if you have tested it on a breadboard, but I just blindly copied your project, cleaned up the schematic and made a PCB prototype, with 3D components, so it looks nice. Please see and analyze what's different from yours: [https://easyeda.com/deskpro256/antenna_cleaned](https://easyeda.com/deskpro256/antenna_cleaned) This is my proposed PCB layout. Because you said that capacitance could be an issue, I pulled back the copper area and only connected it to one spot on BOTH layers in the same place. Components are close together, traces are short. Feel free to do any modifications or use as is, I don't need anything. All this took me about an hour. ![pcb.png](//image.easyeda.com/pullimage/DiIAzOTynSuzNiXhRKSUIfi5u6Ys9MgOqvXTIxgx.png) Also 3D render: ![3d.png](//image.easyeda.com/pullimage/Fl2MkDSRdqshTZQ7KCzqOsXtXITcCUMJ1JBLiA0w.png) Please use this forum to **learn** and **listen** to the advice and help. Most of us do this out of just good will.
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andyfierman 5 years ago
@deskpro256, Thanks for taking the time to reiterate the points I have been trying to make. This topic may be the one you saw: [https://easyeda.com/forum/topic/Can-t-print-schematics-it-does-nothing-44796f670dc74d8dabf487f0b3902c09](https://easyeda.com/forum/topic/Can-t-print-schematics-it-does-nothing-44796f670dc74d8dabf487f0b3902c09) It is pretty much a full design review for which I would normally charge a fee. That review illustrates and my last comment in it in fact explains exactly how to fix the particular point of this topic about connecting copper areas. Having done a free design review and suggested a design simplification, I really didn't feel disposed to redraw the schematic and then redesign Joe's PCB as well. :)
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Joseph Massimino 4 years ago
I got past all that by copying the schematic to a new page, then edited it as I wanted. I'm sorry for not updating this sooner.
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